January 15

Blog #10 – 4 questions about immigration

While studying the Gilded Age and the 3rd wave of American immigration, we brought up a lot of questions in our discussions. 

1. Is the wall on our border with Mexico morally / ethically right thing to do  given that the majority of illegal immigrants are people who overstay their work or college visas and NOT those who cross the Mexican border illegally?  Why or why not?

Breaking news: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110115/ap_on_re_us/us_border_security_virtual_fence

This article talks about how the U.S. is getting rid of the “virtual fence along the Mexican border b/c it’s too costly. 

FILE - In this undated file picture provided ...    US scraps virtual fence along Mexico ...

2. There are vigilantes called the American Border Patrol who patrol the U.S. / Mexican border and occasionally engage in extra-legal activities.  Their leader, Glenn Spencer, also has been one of the more outspoken anti-immigrant voices in American for the past 12 years or so, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.  See link: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/american-border-patrol/american-patrol 

People are allowed to express their opinions and even broadcast them on the internet.  However, do they have the right to patrol the border and take the law into their own hands?  Their defense was that the American government is not doing its job of protecting the border. 

A young man walks next to the border fence between ...

Here’s the ABP’s website: http://www.americanborderpatrol.com/index.html

Also, CBS News put together a segment on the border fence. Here it is:

3. Should America completely cut off immigration to the U.S.?  Why or why not?  Should the country allow in more people legally?   Why or why not?  Among the issues associated with these two questions, we discussed depressed wages and low-paying jobs and their comparison to the Gilded Age.  

4. Should we make it easier for illegal immigrants in the U.S. to become citizens?  Why or why not?  Former President Bush’s plan included putting the estimated 12 million illegals on the road to citizenship by giving them Social Security numbers so that they can start paying taxes on jobs that they already have (some use fake SSNs).  They’d also have to learn English, apply for the citizenship process, and pay fines. 

Pick 2 of the 4 questions and answer them.  Each question should be around 125 words.   Thanks. 

Due Tuesday January 18 before class begins. 

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Posted January 15, 2011 by geoffwickersham in category Blogs

65 thoughts on “Blog #10 – 4 questions about immigration

  1. Evan Daykin

    1. I think the wall on the border to mexico is perfectly fine from a moral standpoint. A border that is full of holes is going to encourage people to lump across the border. Given, this is not where the majority of immigrants come from, but an immigrant who comes to the united states illegally by walking across the border in the middle of the night and is all of a sudden a citizen is going to be a major slap to the face to someone who jumps through all of the green cards and bureaucracy to become a legal citzen that still has to pay taxes, whereas the border hopper gets off scot-free.

    2. Yes and no. The little gun club type thing is completely absurd, but anyone who sees someone attempting to break into the country should take down a detailed description of the offender and contact the border patrol. There is a shadow of doubt as to what someone could be doing at the border fence, not always jumping it. a prime example:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/walleyball-thumb.jpg

  2. Philip Johnson

    1.. I think that the wall at our border with Mexico is immoral and unethical. Mexicans haven’t yet proved to be a huge threat to the United States. I feel like since there haven’t been many recent MAJOR conflicts with Mexicans so there is no reason to try so hard to protect the United States from their presence. If the United States’ government wants to do something to crack down on all of the illegal immigrants more effectively, they should watch to make sure that no people overstay the amount of time allowed by their visas. Trying to construct an invincible wall is unnecessary and petty because any Mexicans that do try to sneak over the border usually mean no harm. A blockade that costly wouldn’t be worth it because those Mexicans only want a nice place to live.

    4.. I don’t believe that America should make it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens because when you think about it, if they were illegally immigrating, then you don’t honestly know what their intent was or if they immigrated for a reason harmful to the safety of America. With some of the terrorist attacks that have occurred in the past, we have seen that many people can be a lot less trustworthy than we would think at first. If we make it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens, then more foreigners will think that it is acceptable for them to illegally immigrate since everyone else who is doing it is being allowed to become a citizen. America needs to make sure to remain in control of illegal immigration because if it becomes out of hand then it could threaten the safety of the country.

  3. hannah Voigt

    Question 3. Americans should not cut off immigration to the United States of America. Are we crazy? Immigration makes us who we are every ethnicity can contribute to our countries wellbeing. And is it fair to cut off immigration now do we decide that everyone who wasn’t in the country by a specific date is an illegal? When you think about it every person in the United States of America who is not of Native American descent is theoretically an immigrant. So it is hypocritical to demand no more immigration. And its just plane racist to decide which immigrants can and which immigrants cannot come into the United States. I believe we should allow more people in legally and definitely not build a wall or any other means to keep our country from being any stronger.

    Question 4. I believe we should make it much, much easier for an immigrant to become a citizen of the United States of America. We could do this by shortening the time needed to stay in the country, make it easier to obtain green cards, and other things that would make it easier to obtain a citizenship. Even simple things like holding classes that teach English or giving people social security numbers would help a lot. Also it wouldn’t hurt to have lecturers’ discuses tolerance because I have a belief that people with negative opinions are working on making immigration more difficult then it already is. If we could show that immigration would be good we could convince the government to open more doors into America.

  4. Courtney Stewart

    Question 2: I don’t think that the border patrol has the right to take the law into their own hands. I feel that it is wrong for the border patrol to be able to act in a way that exceeds their job description and the law. I think that the violence superfluous violence caused by the border patrol needs to be put to an end. I believe that the leader of the border patrol Glenn Spencer has a bad stereotypical image of the Mexicans which causes him and his border patrol members to be extremely ruthless when dealing with the Mexicans attempting to enter America. A better way of dealing with the Mexicans would be arrest and then returning them back to Mexico. This way would save the lives of the Mexicans, who are just looking for a better life, but it would also deal with the issue of illegal immigration.

    Question 4: I think that we shouldn’t make it easier for illegal immigrants to become U.S citizens because the way the entered the country was dishonest. I think that if a person is willing to fight their way through the American borders, then they should be willing to fight there way through the citizenship requirements. If the citizenship test and other requirements are too simple then more Mexicans would find ways to enter the country and then they would just easily become citizens, which would cause a HUGE inflation in the U.S population. In addition to the citizenship requirements being kept the same, I think that the guidelines of deportation should be changed. I think that it would be better if after a certain number of years in the country, or the amount of family members or the amount of years working should be factors in the deportation of Mexicans.

  5. Fred Ayres

    3. America should not cut off immigration at all. The immigrants that have come here are what truly make us a great country. Without them, we are simply another super power. The diversity of our people is what makes us different. That being said, it should be harder to enter our country legally. There needs to be new regulation on immigration.
    There has to be more rigorous exams given. Those who wish to call themselves Americans have to be willing to prove that they are committed to this cause. The United States probably has the most freedoms of any country on Earth. However, if more and more people abuse these freedoms, then we will be looked at as lax and gullible, instead of revolutionary and free.

    4. I completely agree with granting current illegal immigrants full amnesty. Of course, they would have to pay heavy fines, learn about American history and culture, learn English, and pay taxes. They’re already here taking ‘our’ jobs, why not make them pay for it? It’s like the legalization of marijuana. Personally, I find the use of it immoral and irresponsible. But from an economic standpoint, its legalization only makes sense.
    If pot were made legal, we would save money by having less people in our prisons and make money by taxing the hell out of weed. The same goes for amnesty to the illegal immigrants. Sure, we’re pretty much giving them a free pass. But, at the same time, we’re also getting money and securing sanctity within our borders.

  6. Cameron Crawford-Mook

    1. I think the “fence” on the Mexican border is a waste of time and money. Most illegal immigrants have over stayed their visas and no amount of security cameras or border agents are going to be able to keep them out of the country when they enter legally. I think legislators are in support of a fence because it gives the perception that we are a strong country cracking down on illegal immigration. I think it is morally wrong to be spending so much money on such a pointless project. Since a lot of illegal immigration is by people so poor they don’t have any other option, if we want to keep people out, our money could be better spent assisting them in their home country.

    3. The US should absolutely not cut off immigration. Our country is built on immigration—immigration is the reason we have such a diverse country, making us a unique country in the world community. It is such a blessing that, with only going a few miles away from our homes, we can experience authentic stores from a wide variety of cultures. Yes, more immigrants could potentially keep wages down for other “native” workers, but many immigrants, especially people new to the US, hold jobs not many people want. I think the United States should offer more immigration to political refugees and people displaced by civil unrest in their countries. I also think the United States should make immigration easier, because people are coming illegally or overstaying their visas anyway, and if we made immigration easier, perhaps more people could become legal residents, with all of the responsibilities, such as taxes, that citizenship brings.

  7. Brittany Kashat

    3. America should not cut off immigration to the United States because all people of all races can benefit our country. It is the various ethnicities in this country that makes us who we are. Look at Albert Einstein, Charles Darwin, and Andrew Carnegie… all people who weren’t born in the United States and made huge contributions to this country. By cutting off immigration, the government could be refusing the next Einstein. The country should allow more people in legally because it is usually the person’s situation that makes them want to move here, and when they’ve been waiting years to get in, it’s unfair. The majority of people who want to come to America are just seeking for a better life for themselves and their family. I think it is corrupt of the government not allowing more people to become citizens. What if they have family here? The government should have more people in the citizenship office so that more applications can be approved per day.
    4. We shouldn’t make it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens because they broke the law to get in here, so they shouldn’t be rewarded for it by making the process easier. Other immigrants who become citizens have to wait years and comply by the citizenship rules, why shouldn’t the illegal immigrants do that as well? It would be unfair for the legal immigrants to know that after all the work they went through to become legal, the illegal immigrants are becoming a citizen faster. Who knows what the illegals will do once they get here? They should be booted back to their country and go through the immigration process just like everybody else. The illegal immigrants shouldn’t get special treatment just because they are already on U.S. territory. It is simply ridiculous.

  8. Molly Sovran

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    3. America should not cut out immigration in the United States because that’s what makes America. It’s good to have diversity because it gives you a sense of everyone being different and it will further educate you on the different types of ethnicities. I think it is nice to meet people that are from India because I find it so cool to hear about India and what their culture is like. I know that I would love to live in a different country to share my culture and background. This country should allow more people to come legally because if they pass the test then why not let them live here. Obviously they have proved that they want to be here so they won’t screw it up.

    4. No, we shouldn’t make it easier for illegal immigrants to become U.S. citizens because you can’t dumb things down so already illegal people can become citizens. If they want to be citizens so bad they should go through the time and study and pass the test the first time and become a citizen the right way. It only makes sense that you should do it like everyone else had to do it. Unless there is something crazy and serious and you can’t do it that way, then you can work something out with the government, but otherwise, you have to do it the old and hard way. Everyone who did it earlier passed it so, they can too.

  9. Eli Sherman

    1. The wall being built on the border between the United States and Mexico is not morally nor ethically wrong. The building of the wall is useless in that it costs a large amount of tax dollars and is ineffective in its goal of completely stopping aliens from crossing the border. People are still able to climb over the top of the wall (see youtube, as there are videos there if this occurring) and in some places there have been holes burrowed beneath the wall. Regardless of these stipulations, the ethical logistics of the building of the wall should not be a factor in whether or not the country continues to build it. It is our country and we have a specific process for naturalizing citizens. The government has every right to attempt to keep people from other countries off of U.S. soil if they wish. This is the same right that allows a person to build a wall to keep other people off their property. If you want to build a wall to keep other people off your land then nothing can stop you except for God’s will.
    3. No the United States should not cut off immigration. Illegal immigration of course should not be allowed to continue to be permitted. Legal immigration is an important factor in our economy. It means that there is more competition for jobs and thus a higher quality of work. With today’s unions the working conditions we have learned about from the Gilded Age are not foreseeable. Additionally, the U.S. should increase the distribution of visas and naturalization of people from Asia and certain places in Europe, to people who have, or are seeking an education in high-tech or “green” industries. Doing this will result in a larger workforce in jobs that generally pay higher. Today we are slowly falling behind China and India in math and science. Increasing visas and citizenship for people working in high-tech or “green” fields will help us become a more technologically advanced country so that we can stay a superpower politically, militarily, and economically, as well as becoming a more eco-friendly nation.

  10. Ellen Searle

    The wall on the US Mexican border is not ethically right because most illegal immigrants are actually people who stay in the US longer than their visas allow and not people who actually cross the border illegally. The wall will not stop people from getting into the US illegally, and it will do nothing to stop people from staying longer than their visas allow. The fence may also hurt US Mexican relations, and that would be really bad. Instead of trying to keep up a wall along the border, we should crack down on people who overstay their work on college visas. If they do not apply for an extension or for US citizenship, they should have to go home as soon as their visas expire.

    No the US should not completely cut off immigration. Immigrants are extremely valuable to the US and they are an important part of US culture, and skilled immigrants contribute greatly to the US economy. Immigrants do not cause problems unless they enter illegally. We should allow more people to enter legally because they contribute so much to the US culture and economy.

  11. Autumn Palmer

    1.I personally don’t think the fence on the Mexican Border is necessary. Of course there are going to be illegal immigrants, but aren’t there in every country. Given that most illegal immigrants are just people who overstay their visas, the fence just seems unnecessary. If we build a fence on the Mexican border, should we then build a fence on the Canadian border? In my eyes, that is the image the United States is giving. If the United States could make it easier to renew visas, then maybe there would be less illegal immigrants. The fence makes the United States seem like we don’t want just anyone coming into our country. Most people who want to immigrate to the U.S. are escaping from danger in their own country, and it is kind of hypocritical of the United States to not let some people in because they are not ‘worthy’.
    3. I don’t think the U.S. should cut off immigration completely. Diversity is what makes the United States ‘united’, and basically getting rid of a bunch of illegal immigrants that could easily be made legal, makes us look too choosy in who comes and goes in our country. I think the United States should let more people in legally. I think the process of becoming a citizen is very complex and drawn out. If I was an immigrant trying to get to freedom in America, I would be very fed up about all the paperwork and interviews I would have to go through. If more people were let into the United States, then we could have more people paying taxes and then there would be more money going into the government, and then maybe we could get out of debt. I don’t understand why some people are so set on not letting immigrants into the United States so that they can have a better life then they do in their own country.

  12. Rachel Goldstein

    2. The vigilantes have a right to patrol the border unarmed and report suspicious activity, but that is all. The AP has no right to shoot people or to take the law into their own hands. There is already an official border patrol, and if people have a problem with it, they can talk to their congressperson, elect people into government that agree with them and try to get laws passed. Forming their own armed border patrol is not the answer and not within their rights. The AP is extremely racist, which makes them the worst possible people to be dealing with immigration, illegal or not. To them, every Mexican is too close to the fence, trying to steal their jobs, or plotting to re-conquer the Southwest.
    3. The United States should not cut off immigration completely. That’s just stupid. America was built off of immigrants and ending immigration because it’s “bad” or is hurting “native” citizens is only making us hypocrites. The only people who are actually native citizens are Native Americans. Stopping all immigration would project a really bad image of our country, and would separate us from the world. If we were in trouble, no other country would want to help us. It would only increase illegal immigration because there wouldn’t be any other way for people born in other countries to live here. It would go against everything America stands for. Are we really that afraid of other cultures? Stopping immigration will only increase fear of the different because no one will know anything about other cultures except what they read in textbooks.

  13. willy thompson

    1. The U.S.-Mexico is in no way immoral or unethical. Most houses have fences surrounding them to keep out people. If someone wants to enter the property, they must ask the person living there for permission and enter through the front door. This is the same situation at the Mexican border. Though the the majority of illegals are not coming from Mexico, reducing the number even in the slightest can have large benefits for actual US citizens. The wall at our border with Mexico not only tries to keep people out, but shows them that what they are doing is illegal and may make them think twice about crossing over. The wall is not unethical, but it might need some rethinking, as it is very expensive and difficult to build.

    3. The US should not cut off immigration into the country. Immigration adds new ideas and views to the already diverse culture of the US. The US is seen as the land of opportunity by those looking for a way out of their troubled lives in their homeland. Everyone should have an opportunity to work in the US, but only if they come in legally and become a law-abiding citizen. The country should have a maximum amount of people they can let in every year. There should be extensive research to find a specific number, which would allow for healthy job competition and no worries of overpopulation. We shouldn’t be making more and more immigrants US citizens, but instead making new guidelines for work permits, as most of the immigrants are looking for work.

  14. Alex Cooper

    ​3. I don’t think that America should cut off immigration to the U.S. Immigration is a good idea when its legal, if it isn’t legal and they are sneaking over a border, it shouldn’t be allowed. Why should they sneak over to the U.S., when they could just apply for immigration and be a legal citizen and have more rights than if they were over here illegally? I know it takes a long process to get legal citizenship, but I don’t think that they would appreciate it if it were the other way around and we were trying to come into their country. But if it is legal immigration, I don’t see any reason why not to let them come over here. The thing that makes the U.S. unique, is the diversity and the willingness to get along with people and groups of other ethnicities. It would be a much different world we would be living in if the ethnic groups and cultures were separated. I think the U.S. should cut off illegal immigration, because it isn’t fair to the immigrants that go through the full process to get their citizenship when there are other people just sneaking over here, but the U.S. should not cut off immigration completely. I think that the country should allow more people to come in each year legally also because if they have family here, they should be allowed to be with their family, and it would be letting the U.S. growing into a more diverse and inclusive population.

    4. I don’t think that the government should make it easier for illegal immigrants in the U.S. to become citizens. They were wrong by illegally coming over to our country, and they shouldn’t be taking the spot of someone who might want to come in the country legally and is willing to wait their turn to come in. They should have to go through the process that every other person that wants to be a citizen goes through. I think that they should have to go back to their country, because they came here illegally and broke the law in doing so, and fill out their paperwork and do all the steps required to become a citizen. Just because they are on U.S. grounds and climbed over a wall, or somehow came over here illegally, they should not get an opportunity to be allowed legal citizenship easier than everyone else who went through the full process and followed the law. Their should not be favoritism to people who break the laws to come over here, to get their citizenship.

  15. Stephanie Dudek

    There isn’t really a point to building the wall that shows the border between the US and Mexico. The wall does give a physical boundary but if most of the illegal immigrants are people over staying student or working visas it’s kind of pointless. All the money that is being used to build the wall could be used toward hiring more border patrol or working on new ways of keeping immigrants from crossing the border. It seems like a waste if the wall isn’t even preventing illegal immigrants from coming into the country. It also is like the building of this wall is a last ditch effort or a desperate attempt at fixing illegal immigration, but it won’t even do all that much. It might scare off illegal immigrants or prevent them from trying but that just doesn’t seem right.
    People who live on the border should not be able to take matters in to their own hands when dealing with illegal immigrants crossing the border. People who live on the border can patrol if that makes them feel safer, but they should build a relationship with the border police. That way if something does happen the land or home owners won’t have to do anything rash but the problem can still be dealt with. That way they won’t have to shoot down a person they can just call the border police if they see something or someone. So no one gets in any trouble, people living along the border can feel safe, and the immigrants can’t enter our country illegally.

  16. Lucy Bolerjack

    3. I think cutting off immigration into the US is an unfavorable idea. The government should handle the immigration laws better and enforce the laws against illegal immigrants better, but the solution is not to cut off all immigrants. In the Gilded Age immigrants provided cheap labor, and while times and work ethics have changed drastically, the immigrants might still be willing to take various small jobs other Americans wouldn’t want. Although the immigrants might not get the highest paying jobs, at least they would be getting some amount of money for themselves and their families to build a foundation on. I don’t think there would be anything wrong with letting in more legal immigrants, since they probably have a justifiable reason for wanting to be in the US. Our country has a quota system for how many foreigners can get green cards or visas per year, and the government tries to be very strict with that number. If the US allowed more legal immigrants, it might help lower the number of illegal immigrants.
    4. No, we should not make it “easy” for illegal immigrants to become citizens. They are illegal for a reason—because they most likely broke the law by, as stated in question 1, “overstayed their work or college visas.” The process of becoming a US citizen is strenuous even if you are a legal immigrant. It takes lots of persistence and time. My family friend is a legal immigrant from Russia, and she still hasn’t gotten citizenship yet, even though she’s been trying for years. Instead of helping the illegal immigrants, the government should help the legal immigrants first, since they chose to follow the rules to be a foreigner in our country. Immigrants in the US are lucky they even have the opportunity to become citizens. Almost any other country would allow you to be a legal immigrant but never allow you to become a citizen. If you were from America, you could move to Japan for work related reasons, but you would not get the chance to become a citizen no matter how long you stayed there. Yes illegal immigration is wrong, but making it easier for them to become citizens would goad more and more foreigners to try and take advantage of the system.

  17. Eleanor Chalifoux

    4. I believe that Former President Bush’s plan would really help the immigration situation. His plan included giving the 12 million immigrants Social Security numbers to get them started on the way to citizenship. We have so many illegal immigrants in America. People try to escape corruption and violence in their home countries, like Mexico, and America is a safe place. It is hard to become an American citizen and many illegal immigrants are people that overstay their work or college visas. By giving the immigrants Social Security numbers people can’t complain they are cheating the system because they will have to pay taxes like everyone else. Immigrants also would have to go through the citizenship process but we could start out with giving them Social Security numbers in the meantime.
    2. I don’t think that vigilantes should take the border control situation into their own hands. They are free to express their views and criticism but I think it goes too far when they become violent. Members of communities near the border complain that immigration has devalued their property and way of life. Glenn Spencer said, “Americans, especially white Americans, should get out of California — now, before it is too late to salvage the equity they have in their homes and the value of their businesses.” They become stereotypical and believe that all immigrants, from Mexico specifically, spread this “cultural cancer” and bring drugs, violence, gangs and an alien culture to the United States. But isn’t America a country full of immigrants, for the most part all of our ancestors came to America for a better life, why deny them the same?

  18. Brandon Herman

    3. Should the united states cut off all immigration. NO we should not. We need people to come into our country. They help us be who we are! We say our country is free so it should be to everyone! Also immigrants help this country. They help contribute good ideas. Immigrants also help make america what it is by the diversity. America is such a good place because it has so much freedom and because it is so diverse. So if we do not let immigrants come into america in a sense we will stop being such a good place for all. so overall having immigrants is a good thing because it makes our country a better place and helps us out in the long run.

    4. No I do not think we should make it easier for people to come into our country. It may help give us money from taxes but we cant have that many people come into our country. If it wasn’t an issue then we already would. Also we already have a lot of people who are homeless and who do not have jobs. So if have more people coming in then we do right now then it will only hurt ourselves. Maybe one day when our country has more space and more opportunity’s then we should make it easier and start to let more immigrants into our country. But until then i dont think we should change the system.

  19. Katia Lev

    2. No, I dont think people have the right to defend the border. While I’m not sure how many actual legitimate reasons there are to be jumping over the border fence, it still does not give the people living around it the right to be armed and patrolling the border. Just like we may all have our opinions on the presidential decisions, we cannot actually go and decide that since we dont like it, we should change it. It’s hypocritical to insist that immigration is bad because the whole country is a mixing pot. We cannot complain about immigrants when technically we all are/were at one point.

    3. I think completely cutting off immigration would completely destroy whats left of our economy and be probably one of the worst things we could do. Immigrants, whether we like it or not, are willing to work hard for the benefit of this country, since they had to work so impossibly hard just to get into the country in the first place. They would be willing to do work that, lets face it, Americans wouldnt do because they believe it is “beneath” them. Whether or not that is true, many immigrants come to this country with the intent of creating a better life for themselves and their children and would work as hard as they possibly could to make this happen, in turn helping out our economy in the best way possible.

  20. Alexandre Rochaix

    3. Trying to create an invincible wall is universally impossible. It’s the same as telling the world that you’re locking everyone out permanently, which results in permanent isolation. If the U.S. stopped immigration, then other countries would feel violated and wronged if the U.S. expected them to accept U.S. immigrants. They would then lock out U.S. emigrants, and countries worldwide would feel dissent. Adding to this, people naturally intensely criticize a country which has been proclaimed a massive superpower. The act of barring people out would quickly become an excuse to reduce U.S. influence in many international organizations, and might harm international trade. But how would refugees be interpreted by the law? Would Cuban escapees be treated as herded convicts in one specific area of Florida, or would they be completely refused hospitality? As difficult a choice this would become, the U.S. does hold the right to monitor and control how many people are legally allowed to immigrate onto American soil. The government should only allow more people in if the public feels inclined to do so. It is a convincing argument that immigrants would take the low paying jobs, but in reality, most immigrants are middle or upper-lower class foreigners who have the money and the education to pass through immigration requirements. The cost of moving and afterwards paying taxes is highly unlikely if a poor Mexican is given the responsibilities of a citizen. Furthermore, a middle class foreigner will not apply for low paying jobs if he/she has the qualifications for a higher salary opportunity. So the American citizens that want fewer immigrants need to understand that restricting immigration will not prevent competition and capitalism from lowering their wages or from unemployment. I think that more immigration will in all benefit U.S. economy while improving global ties.

    4. There are two sides to this problem. One involves easier immigration at a high ethical price; the other involves regular application standards. Making the path to citizenship easier for illegal immigrants will not solve anything, and in fact will be counterproductive unless something is taken out of it. I agree that giving citizenship will prove to be an economic boon, but is also unfair to those who pass through the long application process that includes the fines and paperwork, who in the end will also pay taxes. Illegal immigrants should be given the choice of protection by law, taxes, and fair wage practices, without the right to vote; or they can leave the country and “try again” though the regular application process. People are not allowed to trespass on private property; the same rule should apply to immigration.

  21. Brad Miller

    1. The wall on our Mexican border is the right thing to do even though most illegal immigrants are people who overstay their work visas. Just because most of the illegal immigrants are not Mexicans crossing the border, some are and we need to stop illegal immigration in this country to being to have control the population and know the exact number of people that need to be accounted for. Also any illegal immigrant isn’t paying taxes, which is unfair for the legal American citizens. Also if the wall is taken down, it will make it easier to cross the border and all of the “bad” people in Mexico have even easier accessibility to bring drugs and weapons into the country.
    3. America should not cutoff immigration completely because they would take away our nickname as “the melting pot” and it would limit our ability to move forward as time moves on. However, I believe that the U.S. should let more people into the country, legally. The only people that should be accepted in are literate people who have the ability to progress our society forward. If an illegal immigrant is trying to get his/her family into the U.S. after he/she crossed the border, then this should not be allowed. The illegal immigrant would have to go back from where they came from and apply through the embassies. Also the only immigrants that should be accepted are people who have good “credit” in their home country and will be able to pay their taxes and contribute to growing the American economy

  22. Claire Fisher

    1.I don’t think that building a wall between the United States and Mexico makes sense, especially if the majority of illegal immigrants are people who overstay their visas. This makes the wall fairly pointless; the wall won’t discourage people who are already in the country. I think building a giant wall is a waste of a lot of money that could be spent on much more worthwhile things. In addition, the wall isn’t even a physical border; the immigrants are still able to get over the wall. If the wall were actually stopping people from crossing it would make sense. Instead, we’re spending money not only to build two giant walls, but also to pay border control to stop people from crossing the giant walls.
    4. I think that it doesn’t make sense to stop people who are already in the United States from becoming citizens. If they are already here we should just make it easier for them to become citizens, so that as long as they are here they can pay taxes and contribute to society. In question one it was pointed out that the majority of illegal immigrants are people who overstay their visas; therefore they are people who came to the U.S. legally, most likely they aren’t people who climbed over the fence. Making it harder for them to become citizens doesn’t make any sense, they are already here, they are already have job and are working, then they might as well become a citizen. We aren’t going to be able to stop people from being here, so why not have them be here and pay taxes.

  23. Sarah Szekely

    1) I think that having the wall is a stupid idea. If the wall isn’t doing anything but making people suffer and costing the US more money than they have, I don’t see a reason to have it. The wall would be there for absolutely no reason. Plus, since the majority of illegal immigrants are already inside the United States, it’s more ethical to keep tabs on visas than try so hard to keep Mexicans, who more than likely are just trying to make a better life for themselves and their children, out. It’s just completely unnecessary.

    2) I think what they’re doing is absurd. Who are they to take matters into their own hands? If they want to help, they can take the immigrants to the actual government border patrol. Then the immigrants should just be taken back to Mexico with no harm done to them. It’s immoral to do anything else. It doesn’t help that their leader has a twisted view of Mexicans. They haven’t done anything wrong. All they are doing is trying to make a better life for themselves, and I don’t see a reason to try and punish them for that. Take them back and maybe they’ll try to find another way, a less illegal way. This gun-happy company isn’t leaving a very pleasant image in anyone’s minds and would give Mexico a bitter view on America and because of that, maybe they actually will do something major to the United States and we’ll all be sorry. What we need right now is less things raising taxes and less wars.

  24. Declan Gibbons

    Question number 1:
    I feel that putting up the border wall is a great thing to do. I feel that it is because it keeps out people that are coming to america illegally. I feel that it isnt fair to people who are registered citezens and have certian duties that illegal immigrants dont. Like paying taxes or jury duty. I also feel that it isnt wrong because of the fact that most of the illegal immigrants are collage students on an expired visa. I feel this for a couple of reasons. One of those is that the the percentage of illegal immigrants that come by force is only a little less than the ones on an expired visa. Its not a hudge gap. So you can’t just ignore the problem of illegal immigrants coming by force. I also feel that the border wall has nothing to do with illegal immigrants with expired visas.

    Question Number 4:
    I dont feel that we should try to make it easier for immigrants to be able to get citezenship. I feel that the country would get overpopulated if two many people could just easily get in. I also feel that if we let unqualofied people into the American society then the american society would be hurt. If we dont have are citezens to high standards then our country well be left behind other countries. A also feel that we shouldnt change the test and make it easier because of all the other immigrants that studied very hard for the entrance exam and if other people just had it so much easier and didnt really ahve to study as much as former immigrants. If anything the test should be made harded. I also feel that you should have some sort of backround that shows that you would try to contribute to society positivly.

  25. Erin Lammers

    2. No, people not part of Homeland Security or U.S. Border Patrol do not have the right to patrol the border on their own. The government is in charge of controlling immigration and, as of yet, does not need help from everyday citizens. Many of these self-appointed patrollers are ludicrous racists who refuse to let any foreigners enter ‘their’ country, forgetting that their ancestors had to come over from a far land as well. America is supposed to be a melting pot, a safe country that welcomes people from every kind of background. Yes, I realize these immigrants are jumping the border illegally, but maybe that’s because they’ve got no other options. Maybe they can’t afford, in more ways than one, to stay in Mexico any longer. Americans have the right to bear arms when they feel their lives are in danger; this doesn’t extend to murdering people whose sole intent is to keep running and never look back.
    3. No, we shouldn’t stop immigration into the United States altogether. As long as people from other countries want to move to America, we must let them. Immigrants aid our society; they bring with them unique traditions and businesses, revolutionizing our culture and economy. Without immigrants and diversity, our image as the melting pot dissolves. It’s not their fault if job competition increases – they’re trying to make ends meet, just like everyone else. Yes, we should let more people in legally, to an extent. This plan will work provided that the tests designed to assess entry into America are not made easier; the point, after all, is not to let in as many immigrants as possible. We must take into account the number of legal and illegal immigrants and, if the ones who made it to the U.S. legally have passed, let these people have citizenship.

  26. Mallory Moss

    1. The wall on our border with Mexico is morally and ethnically wrong. It is a waste of money and we shouldn’t prevent immigrants from coming to America. We shouldn’t keep them out of America if they want the opportunity to start over and create a better life. We should encourage people to come to America to escape the danger from their own countries. The money spent on the wall is a waste and does not keep illegal immigrants out of America. People are still able get over or under the wall. If the majority of immigrants are illegally staying in America because their visa time is used up, we should make it easier so they can renew their visas. We shouldn’t be the type of country who isn’t willing to help people start over and create a life for themselves.

    3. No, America should not cut off immigration. We should allow immigrants to come to our country because that’s what makes us diverse and unique. Just because they are born in a different country doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to come to the U.S. Immigrants won’t destroy our economy because they will have to work hard and they will be willing to work hard if they came to America for a better life in the first place. Our country should let in more people legally because they won’t cause us harm if they want to work hard and be successful here. If we make it easier for immigrants to come to America, there will be less people who are illegally staying here because their visa time is up.

  27. Ophelie Ovize

    3. I think America should not cut off the immigration of the United States. Immigration benefits the country with all the different ethnicities. They bring so much with them and contribute a lot to the power of the country. By cutting off the immigration, the country would loose diversity and some important chances that could await the united states The government is not allowing more and more people to become citizens, this often breaks families. Not only refusing people they also take a longer time making citizenship possible. I know that in my family we had to wait two years to obtain the green card. We are very grateful to finally have it but it would be nice that the applications for citizenship go faster and of course still happen. It is a huge contributing factor to the power of the nation. Refusing immigration would also mean more illegal passing.

    4. I think we shouldn’t make it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens. These people shouldn’t get rewarded after already committing a crime of breaking the law to get to the united states. The immigrants waiting years to become citizens should maybe have more priority by making it easier. I believe that the illegal immigrants should be sent back to where they are arriving and not be well treated just because they were capable of reaching american land. They should at least maybe pay some taxes while waiting to become citizen. Why can’t they wait like the other immigrants? Its not fair for the others that are correctly waiting, so maybe it should be made easier for ones following the law to obtain citizenship.

  28. Braxton Allred

    Blog #10
    Braxton Allred
    1/17/11
    Wickersham 4th hr

    Question 3: I believe that the United States shouldn’t completely cut off the circulation of immigrants into it because of many reasons. First off, by stopping immigration into the US, we would stop a process that makes our country so culturally unique. If immigrants hadn’t come to America, than our culture would be impacted so dramatically that it most likely wouldn’t even be recognizable for most of us. There wouldn’t be huge differences in how people look like there are now, a lot of the “American” foods like hot dogs, burgers and pizza wouldn’t have the significance that they do now. I mean, imagine there not being anymore Little Ceasers or McDonalds or any other fast food restaurants in the country. It would be so weird not seeing a McDonalds every block, or a Taco Bell right by it. Another reason is that immigration has allowed us to go thru some of the most important periods of time in our history, like slavery, the industrial revolution and the railroads (westward expansion). Immigrants gave us the resources or workers that not only affected our history, but the history of the world.
    Question 4: I believe that the United States should make it little easier becoming citizens. By doing this, immigrants wouldn’t be so compelled to come into our country illegally, which would help our government not spend so much money on keeping track of immigrants and building the wall in Mexico. Not only that, but the government could tax more people, giving them more money to get them out of the hole they got our economy into. Furthermore, by allowing immigrants to come into our country more easily, it may help our relationships with other countries.

  29. raven goodwin

    1. The wall on our border with Mexico is immoral and unethical. Mexico has not done anything wrong towards the United States. Since there hasn’t been any major problems with the Mexicans, they shouldn’t be punished from coming across the border. If the government wanted to do something about the illegal immigrants, they should hire more Americans to watch the border so there’s no issue with them coming across the border. The government can also enroll the immigrants faster to America so there wont be any reason for them to come illegally. If the government tried to build an indestructible wall it would a waste of money and time. They could be planning something more efficient instead of that wall between Mexico that have Mexicans who would not do anything to us.

    4. We should not make it easier for illegal immigrants in the U.S. to become citizens. If we were to make it easier for all immigrants to come to the U.S., then we would have more than just Mexicans to watch out for, we would have immigrant from all around the United States. After the other previous attacks that we have had, it wouldn’t be a good idea. If we make it okay, then Americans would have to be more protective of the outside world. But not just them because we also have crazy people inside the American society.

  30. Denny Walsh

    3. I do not think that America should cut off immigration to the U.S. I believe that cutting off immigration would not be fair to the people who through pure misfortune were born outside of the United States. I am of the opinion that being born in a different country does not make you a bad person. I think that it should be made as easy as possible for people to enter this country at will because if it is made difficult for people to enter legally, then we are setting a double standard by making it infinitely easier for the people who are born in the country to become citizens. I do not see why people should be given all of the advantages of the U.S. just because they were born here while other people don’t get these advantages just because they were not born here.

    4. I think that President Bush’s plan to help get illegal immigrants on the road towards citizenship is a great idea. I think that the sooner they can become legal citizens and start paying taxes, the sooner they can become contributing members of society. This plan can work well, especially if combined with making it easier for people to become citizens legally, because if it is easy to become a citizen legally anyway, then very few people will have to try to get into the country illegally. It is true that this plan can encourage more illegal immigration, however if it is easy to get into the country legally then there will be very few people coming in illegally and there will be more legal, taxpaying, contributing immigrants coming into the country.

  31. Andrew Hausman

    2. Does the American Border Patrol have the right to patrol the border and take the law into its own hands?
    It is extremely wrong for the American Border Patrol to patrol the border. It doesn’t have any right to do so. American citizens cannot perform a governmental task if they feel the government isn’t performing the task effectively. The actions of the American Border Patrol are comparable to citizens declaring war on another nation, collecting taxes, holding an election, or even declaring themselves and their property an independent sovereign nation (an act, it should be noted, the Detroit City Council has proposed before). If someone witnesses another person committing a crime, such as illegally entering the country, they should report them to authorities, or perhaps even make a rather dangerous citizen’s arrest before turning over the suspect. The person, however, should not promote hatred of the suspect. This would be equitable to someone witnessing a crime, choosing to do nothing about it, and then spreading animosity towards the suspect when they are at large. This accomplishes nothing. The American Border Patrol should perform legal activities against immigrants, rather than spread hatred.

    3. Should America completely cut off immigration to the U.S.? Why or why not? Should the country allow in more people legally? Why or why not?
    The United States should not restrict or prohibit immigration into the country, mainly because America is a country of immigrants. Beside Native Americans, which make up less than 1% of the nation’s inhabitants, the entire population of the United States is composed of immigrants or the descendants of immigrants. America has previously been called a “melting pot” of people from all over the world, and that contributes to the greatness of our nation. Anyone who is not a convicted criminal should be allowed to immigrate to the United States legally. An downside of the inclusiveness would be the potential for immigrants taking the jobs of Americans, but if the immigrant is more qualified (not just willing to work for less), it would perfectly acceptable. In that case, capitalism would make its impact by selecting the best worker, and it would be the American’s fault for not making themselves a more viable candidate.

  32. Saul Levin

    3. In my opinion America should definitely not cut off all immigration to the U.S. That would be an absolutely ridiculous measure to take. If people were no longer allowed to enter the U.S. it would rupture relations with other countries and our population would decrease, resulting in an upset economy. In addition, halting immigration would end our reputation of being a melting pot with opportunity for everyone and would destroy us in the eye of the international public. After all isn’t the Statue of Liberty the symbol of this country?: “Give me you tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” I think that the country should allow in more people legally because everyone should have a chance. Sometimes it seems that immigration policy is based on fear of people of different races or and that’s not what this country is about. Not letting people come into our country brings to mind the rather selfish German Jews who unfairly discriminated against newly arriving Eastern European Jews who might take their jobs. America is healthy enough that we can afford to let them in. So why not do so?

    4. We should make it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens. If the issue is looked at from the immigrants’ point of view it can be noticed that they probably view coming here as civil disobedience; they come as a family to a new place in search of opportunity and are denied, so they sneak in. I will recognize that legal access should be attempted first but then again these immigrants are discriminated against racially and don’t want to risk losing their chances in the first place. I think that these immigrants should be allowed to become citizens fairly easily. They are already essentially members of this country seeing as the majority of them work and many of them start their own businesses. These immigrants are important contributors to society. I find it unfair to break up families who are contributing to society based on immigration. Parents should not be taken away from their kids especially when those kids will most likely grow up to make as much of a societal contribution as their parents did. Once the legal kinks are worked out they should be made citizens. The process of becoming a citizen should include sufficient punishment to show that they should have crossed the border the legal way and that their neighbors should in the future.

  33. Ben Cooper

    1. I think that the fence is morally acceptable. Although most illegal immigrants are those who over-stay their visas, any sort of illegal immigration is unfair to those who had to work to get legitimate citizenship. It is very difficult and time consuming to become a US citizen. I don’t think that a fence is the best answer to stopping illegal immigration due to its costliness; and the immensity of the project of completing the fence. The fence does help somewhat, but I don’t think there is any way to make the fence foolproof (unless we make a 1969 mile long Berlin Wall).

    4. I think we should make it easier for immigrants to gain citizenship in the US. Studies have shown that many illegal immigrants pay taxes even without the benefits of social security. In 8 years, immigrants have contributed $90 billion in taxes. If it was easier to do it legitimately then we would gain even more money in taxes to help with the deficit. Most immigrants aren’t doing anything harmful, they usually just want the best for their families. Also, for those people so opposed to immigration, I would like to point out that the European settlers of early America are all “illegal immigrants”. The Native Americans were here first. Seeing as how the immigrants are not trying to wipe us out and steal our land, I think this is all the more reason to allow easier citizenship.

  34. Lizzie Davidson

    1.1. I think the wall on our border with Mexico is morally/ ethically right. If people are overstaying their visas, get the visa extended or become a citizen. Even though the majority may not be people who cross the border illegally, there still are a lot of people who do cross the border illegally. When they do that, they could be bringing harmful weapons, drugs, and diseases into America. They also take jobs from hardworking citizens. I think the jobs belong to our citizens. If they want to come to our country, they can get a visa. I think the border needs this security to stop people from coming through. If they resort to coming that way, it’s probably because they are up to no good. Since it is protecting our citizens, I think it’s the right thing to do.

    4. I think the U.S. should make it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens. If they are able to pass the citizenship test, speak English, and pay the fines, they should be allowed to be a citizen. We should allow people that want to and are able to be apart of our country. If they are willing to do what they need to and aren’t just trying to bring in weapons, drugs, ect, they should be allowed in and be allowed to stay. If they are already in and acting like citizens, why shouldn’t it be official? It would also mean more money for the government from taxes. There’s really no downside to allowing more people to become citizens.

  35. Katie Donnellon

    1.I think that there is nothing wrong with building the wall. Right now there a lot of people who don’t have jobs and businesses who are struggling to make it. When illegal immigrants come and are able to be paid less than minimum wage it is taking away from people who need jobs and pay taxes, or from companies that offer the same services that they are giving for a lot less money. A lot of people think that illegal immigrants are doing the jobs that everyone else doesn’t want, but if somebody needs a job to feed their family they aren’t going to be so picky. However, I think that it is a waste of time, and money. If the wall isn’t going to stop anyone from coming over then what is the point of building it? I think that instead of paying a crew to work on building the wall, they should hire more people so that they could keep up with the people here on visas.

    4.I think that there would a good idea to make it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens. One good thing would be that the illegal immigrants would have to pay fines and they would have to start paying taxes. This would be a good thing for the government and for the immigrants because after they are citizens they will have to be paid minimum wage. This is also a good thing for Americans who are out of work because now there won’t be a lot of people doing jobs they are willing to do for less that minimum wage. One thing is that if people don’t want to pay the fines, and are okay with making only a little bit of money then maybe the immigrants won’t come forward.

  36. Jenny Richter

    1. I don’t think that the wall on our border with Mexico is morally or ethically right. It seems expensive and in some ways pointless because people can still be smuggled in anyway. It’s just to make those who are on the border feel safer and more in control of the situation than they really are. If, hypothetically, this wall really did keep all immigrants out, that seems pretty cold-hearted. America’s a melting pot, not a locked fortress. And it wouldn’t do squat anyway, so what’s the point? It just makes us look like bad guys. Not to mention the expense! We’re fourteen trillion dollars in debt! Is it really such a good idea right now to be shelling out big bucks in the hope that it will possibly be good enough to keep a few illegal immigrants out? I don’t consider that one of out biggest problems here. So many issues, so little money.
    2. We should make it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens of the United States. Since they’re here and if we throw them back to Mexico they’ll just find their way back again, we should make them into citizens so that they’re not a burden to us. We should give them a social security number, make them pay taxes, have them pull their own weight. We’re using so much effort and money trying to keep them out, effort that could be used to our advantage instead of to our detriment. Of course they should be forced to pay some fines, that’s only right. They need to know that if they’re going to come to America and stay here, there are some rules that they have to follow and that’s that. We can lay down the law without building up a wall.

  37. Rob Swor

    1:
    I think that, given the fact that the majority of illegal immigrants in America are just workers or students who came legally and overstayed their visas, the wall along the border between the US and Mexico is the right thing to do. While most people don’t enter the country that way, a large number still do, and the wall would slow down the rate of illegal immigration significantly. While it wouldn’t do anything to slow down other peoples’ entry, there isn’t much that could be done about that at all in the first place, as they almost all are here legally at first. Also, the wall would create places such as checkpoints, where it wouldn’t exactly be easy to smuggle someone through, so any illegal immigrants who use Coyotes wouldn’t be able to enter the country easily anymore.

    3:
    I think that America should not cut off immigration at all. If it did, we would become isolated from the rest of the world and would not be held in very high regard to other countries. While cutting off immigration completely would stop the US from being filled to the brim with illegal immigrants, it would also slow down our economy, as the number of tourists would drop, too, and they’re a pretty large part of our economy. Also, cutting off immigration would cause people who live in harsh conditions or overbearing countries to be essentially screwed if America were their only way out.

  38. Drew Hendrickson

    I think that the wall along the border is the right think to do because even though a majority of illegal immigrants aren’t border-crossers, it still happens, and has to be controlled and maintained in order to ensure the security of this country. The immigrants who have overstayed their visas should be found and deported (obviously), but the border is still a way of entering the country. I don’t think that it needs to be patrolled so heavily, and violence doesn’t need to be a first resort, but it should be managed.
    I don’t think that immigration should be cut off completely. The entire basis of this country is that there is freedom, diversity, and well, diversity. In most major cities, there are neighborhoods of specific ethnicities, such as Chinatown, Mexicantown in Detroit, etc. I don’t think that more people should be allowed in, but it shouldn’t be cut off completely. That would be kind of against what this country stands for, and I don’t think that’s right.

  39. Elizabeth Benedetti

    1. The wall on our border with Mexico is not a morally/ethically right thing to do since most of the illegal immigrants are people who overstay their work or college visas instead of people who have crossed the border illegally. They are already here and a majority of them already have a job and are working on creating a good life here so there really is no point in kicking them out. Plus no one can prevent them from being here if they already are. A better idea would be providing more chances for immigrants from Mexico, or anywhere else from the world, to learn English and study the culture here. This would hopefully create less conflict and communication would be a lot easier.
    3. America should not completely cut off immigration to the U.S., because that is really what this country is made up of, immigrants. Everyone comes from different backgrounds and that’s what makes this country so unique. If this country were to stop immigration there would be nothing truly special about it anymore. Besides it seems, in a way, wrong to stop immigration when most of our ancestors were immigrants. If the country had stopped it then, then a majority of this population would not be here. Immigration is what makes this country so special and we should keep it that way.

  40. Emily Novick

    1) Yes, it is most definitely morally wrong to have a fence stopping Mexicans from crossing the border. Well first of all, let’s look at the logical reason we have this thing here, to stop Mexicans from crossing the border. Yes, and why do we need to stop this phenomenon? So that they can continue to live in poverty with a government battling drug lords and more problems than all of my math homework combined? It certainly isn’t used to stop illegal immigration because the border isn’t really the problem for that. We should pride ourselves in this truly moral decision. Why should we let people in who need our help? That makes no sense at all! What about all of those poor southerners who would have more people to compete with for jobs? Well that’s capitalism for you. History shows that an increase in population actually helps the economy, let’s not have that happen! That would make even more people happy. So yes, I believe that the wall is immoral.

    3) No, we should not cut off immigration from the U.S. Some say we may be risking overpopulation, which can lead to many problems but there are a lot of places that people could move into. Evevn if cities could become more crowded, I believe it would take a lot more to overcrowd America. Look how many people live in Japan. Plus, our economy went up when people came in back in the 1900s, why not now? Our whole country is based on immigration; we didn’t just magically apparate here at the beginning of time. Also, we want new ideas and cultures to come in, a lot of America’s great inventions came from immigrants. If we don’t let new people in, then we would just be isolating ourselves. If we isolate ourselves, we lose edges on the strive towards better technology and fall behind on other countries, leaving us to not be so much of a super power and making our economy worse while we’re at it. So even though there is a chance of overpopulation, the benefits outweigh the negatives and we should not cut off immigration to the U.S.

  41. Larry Geist

    2) I don’t think private citizens have the right to decide what happens to people crossing the border. Just because they think the government isn’t doing enough for border protection, doesn’t mean they can militarize themselves and control the border with an iron fist. The government has tasked people to decide what to do with people crossing the border, it’s not the job of private citizens with automatic weapons.

    4)We should make it a little easier for people to become citizens. If they’re going to the trouble to get here in the first place, they obviously want to be a part of our country. Also, if there are more citizens, there’s more people to pay taxes, which is better for the government. It’s probably more efficteve to help illegal imigrants become legal citizens rather than try to stop the flow of illegal imigrants all together.

  42. geoffwickersham (Post author)

    1. Personally I think that it doesn’t matter whether or not a wall is built. It may be unethical because there it puts up a physical barrier to our free country which makes it seem not free. However if a wall is put up and despite if it is ethical or not, people, desperate of coming to America for whatever reasons will still find a way to come over the border. Personally I think that it will put a damper on the already stressed relationship America has with Mexico. I also think that building a wall like this will be a nuisance for America due to the size of the wall, it’s maintenance and the constant watch over it. Personally I think a wall should not be built. This leads me to question number

    3. I think that if a wall were to be built, America should completely cut off immigration to the US. I this because it would not be fair to let people in who have a visa that expires and then over stay their welcome for pleasure as opposed to letting people in who need to restart their lives and save their family. If one shouldn’t be allowed to do it, no one should. That is ethically and morally correct. And answer to number three, about letting people in illegally, I think that people who want to come in and need to come in will find a way to come in. I think that america should let things be the way they are and control what is happening within america, not about what is going on outside american borders.

    Jacob Seid

  43. Kaylee Brown - 2nd hour

    3. I do not think America should cut off immigration. For one it creates a more diverce place to live in. Not to mention, the US has citizens from all over the place and that started with immigration. If we were to cut it off now it would almost be like cutting off the biggest part of our country. Another reason is that it could actually help our economy rather than hurt it because more people are paying taxes. Also, if we were to cut off immigration it’s possible it would have negitive effects with other countries. It’s possible we would be creating enemies which would isolate us from the rest of the world and start another war. Even though we should not cut off immigration I think it is still VERY necessary to have regulation of it and it is okay to take procautions like the boarder protection and other things similar to that

    4. No, I do not think that it should become easier for immigrants to become US citizens. I don’t think it should become any harder though because I think it’s already hard enough. I think it should be kept the same because for one, it is just a way to take precaution. If we started letting in just anyone there could be more potential attacks on the US than before and it would be SO much easier to do it. People forget that US citizens need the same opportunities as the immigrants we accept in, if we gave ALL of these opportunities away it wouldn’t be fair to the people who have already devoted themselves to this country. However, even though I don’t think this process should become that much easier, if easier at all, I think it is very important we keep immigration and accept everyone for who they are and where they are from.

  44. Allison Roche

    Question 1.
    The wall on the border of Mexico dividing them from the United States is not morally or ethically right. For starters a wall as a border is quite an eye sore. Who wants to look at an ugly wall all day every day? I don’t think the southerners or the Mexican’s appreciate it. I know I wouldn’t. Second, because most of the illegal immigrants are simply workers and college students who over stay their visa’s the wall is symbolic at best. And it’s a bad symbol too! We are sending a message of “we don’t like you, go away and stay away”. That isn’t a very friendly way to treat our neighbors. We should be nicer about the whole illegal immigration problem and make it easier to become a citizen.

    Question 3.
    I think it is an absolutely horrible idea to cut off immigration to the United States. We are supposed to become an open and diverse country. If we don’t allow people to immigrate here then what would we be, a nation that dislikes all other races and loves solitude? I like the first one better. If illegal immigration is such a problem then we’ll just have to make it easier to become a United States citizen. If we make it easier to become a citizen the United States will become even more diverse and we will have new thoughts and ideas coming in from all sorts of other countries. This will make us a better, more open, stronger, and more diverse country in the end. If there are fewer jobs because of this then people will simply have to work harder to get a job. That’s not such a bad thing; we could use a work ethic boost any ways.

  45. Ben Sadler

    I think that it is fine that we are building the border even though most of the illegal immigrants are from over staying their visa. The wall will still protect the U.S. and even that many less immigrants will be crossing over from the border. So I believe that the wall is alright because it isn’t going to bring any harm to us.
    I don’t believe that the U.S. is cutting off immigration to the country by building the fence. The U.S. is just making it safer and cutting off the immigration by illegally coming over the border. Letting more people in legally is questionable because we already have a lot of immigrants here and our jobs are depleting.

  46. David Bellefleur

    1. I think that the border fence itself is morally right becuase it is only placed there to kepp people from not illegally entering the country. I don’t think it is morally right that people have to leave because their loss of a job forces them too, but there are ways to re-enter the country legally. I think that the fence or bhorder should stay beccause the laws have been in place for a long time and it is not like it is wrong to keep people from entering illegally. We do it so that people who come here have to pay taxes and be recognized as someone living in the united states. Without this knowledge, people can just live here without having to pay the fees that the rest of america’s citizens do. the purpose of the fence is to maintain the laws that are in place, it should not be considered morally wrong if it is the law. 3. i do not think that america should completely cut off immigration because it defeats the purpose of america. our america was completely founded on immigrants. the statue of liberty is known to hold the mixing pot of america and we aer proud of our diversity. if we completely take out or limit legal immigration, we are destroying what america was built on. i don’t think that the country should allow or disallow more people to come legally. if they are coming and have the proper forms, pay taxes, and what not, they should be able to saty. if they don’t break the law when they come to live here, there is nothing wrong with it. but i do dis-agree with the whole job and veesa thing where they have to leave the country if the get fired. if they come and get veesa, they should be able to keep it.

  47. Patrice Bell

    3. No, I do not think the U.S. should completely cut off immigration because even though the country is kind of becoming overcrowded, I still think that people who need a place to go because of terrible problems in their own countries (sweatshops, forced prostitution, etc.). The U.S. proves to be a great getaway from troubled countries.
    No, I don’t necessary think the country should let in more people legally because As I previously stated, the country is already beginning to get overcrowded. I think that they should continue to let people in legally because in addition to giving people an escape, it is adding to the diversity of our country.

    4. I don’t think it’s too hard in the first place to get into our country, because if it was too hard, no one would pass anyway. I do not think it should be made easier for people to immigrate to America because I think that with the level of hardness the actual test is, I think that the people who are truly serious about getting to become citizens will be easily distinguished from those simply seeking to get here for selfish reasons because the people who legitimately want to be citizens will try a lot harder to get into the country and working hard would get them into the country. I think that people who are here illegally should be given a chance to take the test and get into the country and if they fail, then they should get deported.

  48. Dorian Ballard

    1. The people who patrol the border have a right to that. If illegal immigration is affecting them in a profound way, they should have a right to try and protect their money and themselves. I’m not saying that standing around the border line and shooting women, children, and men who are trying to escape harsh lives and poverty is the right thing to do I’m just saying that the people who do it have the right (like literally the right) to conserve their economic prosperity. Their need to be steps taken to eliminate this type of behavior and the American government should at least be mildly concerned, but due to budget difficulties not many of the states can afford a mass army of border troops.

    2. I don’t think that illegal immigration has become a crisis or a thing that is ruining society yet but if it gets any worse the government is going to have to start considering halting all immigration. The problem with halting immigration is that you are completely cutting off the United States from the rest of the world. I believe that if immigration was stopped all together foreign relations would become somewhat strained. I’m not an ambassador though, so really, I don’t know the harmful and helpful affects of halting immigration. I don’t believe that it is possible to have a good foundation unless you leave in a southern town on the border of if you truly know what type of damage you are causing.

  49. jacob Rzeppa

    1. Having the wall on the U.S and Mexico border is not morally wrong, and even though most illegals are students or workers staying on expired visas, there is no actual moral wrong in having a wall. The wall is very costly to maintain and the borer is hard to patrol but if the U.S thinks that they need to build a wall on the border that is their right to do so. Also even though most of the illegal aliens are already in the country on expired visas that doesnt mean that there arents others who will try to cross into the U.S via the border. The problem with building a wall is not that it is morally wrong, whats wrong with the wall is that it is costly and ineffective.

    4. The question is not “should we make applying for U.S citizenship easier” but “why havent we?”. America has always been an escape for the refugees and thoes displaced in their own countries. In the current political and economic climate of Mexico people do not feel safe, and they look to America as a place to turn to, they are so set on escaping their country that they are willing to cross deserts to come here. so why not let them become citizens? I think former President Bush’s plan was excellent, by allowing citizens we can finally begin to tax them, they do the jobs other don’t want to do, they cant fight and serve in our nations military. They do not want to live in constant fear of deporation they’d much rather become permanent citizens of our country. So we should make it appyling for citizenship easier and take advantage of the oppritunity they present to us.

  50. Erick Dagenais

    2. I think that people that don’t work for the U.S. Border Patrol should not have the right to stop someone from crossing the border. It is the government’s problem to protect the border and they make the decisions on what happens to those trying to cross the border illegally. If you want to protect the border, apply for that job under government authority.

    4. I think we should make it easier for people to becomes citizens. It would give the government more money because we could tax them. More people would then be encouraged to become citizens rather than jumping the border, reducing the violence and money spent on protecting borders. Immigration is what makes the U.S. the diversity-rich country it is.

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